Howdy friends! Here comes an info-packed Birth Stories for Books interview. My guest is Megan Woodward, whose latest picture book is the super humorous, NO IFS, ANDS, OR BUTTS (illustrated by Janelle Wahren, published by Albert Whitman & Company, October 2026).
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| by Megan Woodward and Janelle Wahren |
So find a spot to sit your own butt down, and let's get to it!
Dawn Prochovnic: Welcome to the blog, Megan. Neither of us can pinpoint when we first met each other, but since we're both based in Portland, Oregon, we got to know each other gradually as we both kept showing up at the same book events (a SCBWI gathering here, a book tabling event there...) back when you were promoting your debut, This Book is Definitely Not Cursed, and I was promoting Lucy's Blooms and my potty humor books. Earlier this year I was lucky enough to join your critique group, and now, both of us are launching new fall 2026 releases. Hooray!
As I've mentioned, your new book, NO IF, ANDS, OR BUTTS, is absolutely hilarious.
Megan Woodward: THANK YOU!!
DP: I'm eager to learn more about how it came to be. I'd like to start by learning about the inspiration that sparked the idea for this story, and the process and timeframe between your initial idea for the book and the story that was formulated fully enough to submit to an agent or editor.
MW: This idea started with the title. Sometimes I play around with idioms and puns in order to come up with funny story ideas, and so I was doing that when I came up with NO IFS, ANDS, OR BUTTS. Almost immediately, I pictured an uptight narrator who didn't want anything inappropriate in the book, including butts. And the cast of uncooperative characters (who happen to have butts) was a natural development from there.
DP: It's such a great title and concept!
When you compare one of your earliest drafts of this story to the version in the published book, what stands out for you in terms of what is most different? Likewise, is there anything in particular that stands out that was included in your earliest drafts and survived the revision process?
MW: Quite a lot of what made it into the final draft was in the original. Like the Bear butt/ bare butt joke, the underwear/ under where joke, the pirate booty joke, the head butts joke, and the butt hole/ wholesome jokes. Also, Taco's line about not having a butt in the traditional sense, was always there. (Taco was a fave from the very start).
DP: That's so funny. I had to re-read the book after reading this answer, to be certain I had caught all of the jokes! I suspect readers will catch more and more of the humor with each read!
DP: I'm not surprised about the editor having almost zero notes. Given our critique group work, I've seen how tight your manuscripts are, and I have first-hand knowledge of your AMAZING sense of humor. Having attended an early offering of your (fantastic!) FUNNY ON PAPER webinar, I know humor is a very broad topic, but I'd really like to drill down and learn more about how you went about infusing this particular story with humor–give us a little sense of your process in this regard, if you will.
MW: A lot of the jokes in this book just popped into my head as I was thinking about the book idea. Of course, some of them don't work as well once you get them on paper, (or on a laptop), so that's when a critique group comes in handy to tell you what's working and what's not. But the humor for this was really fairly easy because of the set up: uptight narrator who doesn't want anything inappropriate + characters who are constantly misunderstanding (or purposefully twisting) the narrator's demands to make things more and more inappropriate.
(Honestly, an idea like this kind of writes itself).
Basically, I just had to come up with homophones that could be twisted. For example, "no bare butts" could be understood as "no bear butts." And the narrator's insistence on a "wholesome book" could be misunderstood as adding "some holes" to the book–which the characters, trying to be helpful, offer to hide their holes in–"Butt holes!" It was simply a lot of word play and butt-related double entendres.
Humor also relies a lot on escalation, so making things worse as the book goes along makes it funnier. I also relied a lot on relatability: kids love to giggle at words that sound inappropriate, and they get a kick out of an overly controlling/ serious adult being overwhelmed–so those elements really give it a lot of kid-friendly humor. Also, with a background in comedy screenwriting, I used a lot of character driven humor, to distinguish between character voices and make them funny in unique ways. (I talk about all these different types of humor techniques and how and when to use them in my webinar.)
DP: Ha! You make it sound so easy! But again, I can definitely vouch for the fact that your webinar makes it easier to understand how to write humor! I highly recommend it!
Reflecting on the journey from idea to published book, are there any individuals, experiences, or opportunities that you credit with opening the door for you to bring this story to publication? (I'd especially love to hear about your decision to work with Albert Whitman if you're willing to talk about that–I realize it's a potentially prickly subject).
MW: My agent, Amy Nielsen, championed this book from the very beginning when I queried her with it. She said it made her laugh out loud at a time when she really needed to laugh, and after I signed with her, it was the first thing to go out on submission.
Okay so Albert Whitman–I don't mind answering, as I think this industry needs more transparency from all of us–(warning: this is a long answer, but I wanted to give it the nuance I think it deserves.)
I was, of course, very hesitant when they sent over their offer–based on their troubled history and what I'd heard from other authors and people in the industry. But I also talked to someone who understood bankruptcy law better than I do (which is not at all)–and they told me that in order for a business to be able to pay money they owe–in this case royalties to authors, and to also continue operating after going bankrupt, they need to bring in profit. And in order to bring in profit, they have to buy and sell more books, because that is how a publisher makes money. If nobody sells books to them, how will they move forward with any of this? So I am hoping that by working with them on this book, it will contribute to helping them to pay the royalties they owe, as well as continue putting out the important, meaningful, and diverse books they are known for.
(Also, full disclosure: We received no other offers on this book after my agent notified the many other publishers it was on sub to. It's a boundary pushing book that I knew might be a hard sell elsewhere. Thus, it was a choice of publishing with Albert Whitman or risking not getting it published at all. This book was one of my personal favorites and I would have hated to miss the opportunity of getting it into kids' hands, so I wasn't willing to make that gamble.)
So far, I can say that Albert Whitman has been wonderful to work with. Josh Gregory is a dream editor who cares deeply about diversity, representation, and the kinds of books and messaging he's helping create. He's easy to work with, super responsive, and found an awesome illustrator–shout out to Janelle Wahren! Also–he and his team apparently all laughed so hard at my manuscript when they first read it, and unbridled enthusiasm for your book is what every author wants from their publisher. They also paid me my advances on time, and they have gotten this book made in UNDER A YEAR–which is pretty much unheard of in this industry.
Obviously, the decision to work with Albert Whitman is one that not everyone will be willing to make, and that's totally fair! It's a personal choice. But do I hope they continue to stay in business and also pay the authors to whom they owe money. They are a much needed smaller publisher–and they're willing to take chances on out-of-the-box books like mine, that the big five may not. Trust me, we want publishers like this to stick around.
DP: Thanks for sharing so much background, Megan. That's super helpful.
You have a unique perspective as both a children's book author and bookseller at one of Portland, Oregon's most beloved children's bookstores, Green Bean Books. With this in mind, who do you see as the ideal reader for this book? and/or what would you love to overhear another bookseller say as they hand-sell this book to a young reader or other potential buyer?
MW: Oh yes, Green Bean Books is a magical store! We get a lot of requests for funny picture books. Those are often the ones kids want to read over and over. Anytime any book seller says a book made them laugh-out-loud, it's almost always an automatic sale. So I think I'd just want any bookseller to say that they burst out laughing while reading it. That's the dream.
DP: I think you're going to have that dream fulfilled. It's definitely laugh-out-loud funny.
One of my favorite parts of being an author is connecting with young readers at school, library, and bookstore visits, and I’m always looking for fresh tips. Do you have any pro tips or suggestions for fellow author/presenters in terms of planning successful (in-person and/or remote) book-related events?
MW: Think like a kid! How do you make your book or your topic appeal to them in a kid-friendly way? For my debut book, not only was my book itself interactive and silly, but I had a silly activity that I could do with a roomful of kids, as well as a puppet of my book's character which spoke to them and answered questions. For smaller events, we made nose hair out of yarn. (It was part of the book.) They loved it.
DP: I got to see that activity in action on more than one occasion, and I can attest that kids loved it, indeed.
MW: I also learned that it's important to ask teachers what their discipline techniques are in case the kids get a bit rowdy. Is there a phrase or signal that gets their attention and lets them know to calm down? I've never studied or worked in education, so school discipline isn't something I know much about. Teachers do. Ask them for help!
DP: That's such a valuable tip, Megan! Thanks for passing that along.
If you could go back in time, what would you tell your pre-published self? Or, said another way, what do you know now, that you wished you would have known a bit earlier?
MW: Well, first I would tell myself to get into kid-lit way sooner. I discovered it late, and wish I had started in college. But also, I'd tell myself to get a backup job, as this career isn't reliable or consistent or very financially viable. But then, maybe if I had a backup job, I wouldn't have pursued writing as hard as I have...
Also, I'd tell myself that publishing is so sloooooowwwwww. And requires a lot of patience. And not to put too much stress into book promotion or social media or doing things that I really don't love, because it doesn't move the needle on sales all that much anyway.
DP: More great advice. Thanks.
Is there something you wish someone would ask you about your path to publication for NO IFS, ANDS, OR BUTTS, that you haven’t had the opportunity to share yet?
MW: Most children's books are important in their own way–whether they're teaching a non-fiction topic, expanding empathy, helping with SEL issues, telling a thrilling tale, providing representation, championing diversity, sharing knowledge of the world and cultures, helping us understand ourselves and each other better, or just encouraging a love of reading through laughter and joy. Mine mainly falls into the last category–which is essential because it's this category that often helps get kids into reading and leads them to all those other equally important books. And hey, if it also leads to a conversation about the problems of book banning, a discussion about the human body, or a lesson about homophones, that's great too. But mostly, I want it to make kids laugh, and then reach for another book. Fewer and fewer people are reading–both adults and kids, and it's one of the biggest dangers to our society. We need to stay literate. Laughter helps us get there.
DP: YES to all of this!
Do you have anything you’d like to tell us about what you’re currently working on?
MW: Oh I always have so many projects going. I write a new picture book about once a month, and have stacks of those piled up (metaphorically–they're in my laptop). I'm keeping my fingers crossed for two character driven picture book series my agent is sending out on sub this fall. And I'm excited about a soon-to-be-announced picture book coming in Spring 2028. But I'm also trying to lean into middle grade. Currently, I'm working on a MG humorous fantasy series called TOMBMATES, and an illustrated early middle grade/ (or maybe chapter book) series called TALES OF A FAIRY CRABMOTHER.
DP: You continue to amaze me with how prolific you are! I love that I get to cross paths with you regularly!
What is the best way for readers to get in touch with you or learn more about your books?
MW: Probably my website: www.meganwoodward.com
DP: Thanks so much for sharing your Birth Story for NO IFS, ANDS, OR BUTTS with us, Megan!
And now, dear readers, you know what to do. The best way to thank an author whose insights have been helpful and/or inspiring to you is to support their work. Buy their books. Request them from your library. Read and share them with others. NO IFS, ANDS, OR BUTTS is available for preorder now everywhere books are borrowed and sold, including your own local, indie bookstore, or online at bookshop.org. *Disclosure: As an affiliate of Bookshop.org I may earn a small commission from books purchased through links on this post.
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| Photo Credit: Carlstrom Photography |
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Birth Stories for Books is an occasional feature of Dawn Babb Prochovnic's blog. Dawn is the author of multiple picture books including, Lucy's Blooms, Where Does a Cowgirl Go Potty?, Where Does a Pirate Go Potty?, 16 books in the Story Time With Signs & Rhymes series, and the forthcoming title, Mama's Home (and Baby Too!). Dawn is a contributing author to the award-winning book, Oregon Reads Aloud, and a frequent presenter at schools, libraries, and educational conferences. Contact Dawn using the form at the left, or learn more at www.dawnprochovnic.com. Subscribe to Dawn's newsletter and never miss an update.























